again, i dont understand why the burden of proof rests on me here. where is your proof its a choice, other than they "do" homosexuality?

It's easy to dogmatically think act is chosen, but thats not necessarily the case. Again, some people are determinists...they think that we're living in a great big Skinnarian box and the physical states of the world "determine" our actions...thus the term determinism (i dont adhere to this btw, b/c it makes punishment irrational).

We do have agency, but we are also under deterministic constraints at times. I believe homosexuality (and heterosexuality for that matter) are largely, if not wholly deterministic. You dont. i mean, we disagree on the premise. Its not personal, its just the facts of the matter.

In response to someone else: I took Prof Vasilesque's Intro Psych class at UVa-Wise when i was dual enrolled there (this doesnt make me an expert btw) but if i remember correctly, i thought we discussed the lack of choice behind homosexulaity. maybe my memory is failing me. i dunno. again, im not a psychiatrist/dr/geneticist.

but its funny, im criticized...."YOU GOT NO PROOF". but all someone has to do is say, "oh, studies show its a choice". can we have some links?

and furhter, someone said that it was a learned behavior. assume this is true (a BIG assumption), does that make it a choice. if you are taught by ur parents from day 1, one thing or another, do you really have a choice about it? what 2 year old has the cognative faculties to say "NO MOM. YOURE WRONG?" jsut b/c its leanred doesnt mean its, a priori, a choice. Furthrmore, whose doeing the teaching, if there is learning.??? I dont know of many families that teach their kid to be homosexual. Maybe you couold argue about adoption into homosexual homes teaching....but i know a lot of homosexuals that grew up in convential homes (after all, how did they get there???)

Anyway, ive tried to keep this respectful. Most of yall have too, which has been nice. I've actually enjoyed this. It's not every day i get to make ACTUAL arguments, not just yelling arguments.

I'm heading out for the evening, so i really can defend my view anymore for the time. If u disagree, at least be reasonable, dont attack ME personally (an arguement, ad hominem, for the philo geeks out there) b/c thats a cop out. attack the premises, or give me further reason/evidence to believe urs.

Good night all! Send me a PM if you so desire.